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> On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 July 2010 01:14:45 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200,
fons@kokkinizita.net wrote:
> > > > Apart from that, it remains to be seen if *real* timing errors of
> > > > +/- 2 ms do 'destroy the groove'. To test this, make the same
> > > > recording
> > > >
> > > > - without jitter,
> > > > - with 1 ms jitter,
> > > > - with 2 ms jitter,
> > > > - with 3 ms jitter.
> > > >
> > > > and check if listeners are able to identify which is which,
> > > > or at least to put them into order.
> > > I know very gifted musicians who do like me and they always 'preach'
> > > that I should stop using modern computers and I don't know much averaged
> > > people. So the listeners in my flat for sure would be able to hear even
> > > failure that I'm unable to hear.
> >
> > You really should do that test first before speculating about the outcome and
> > your audience.
> >
> > You would expect Audiophiles to spot the "super sounding" denon cables by
> > listening, right? Yet a blind test showed the opposite. The test was to
> > identify which audio take was played with denon-cables, el-cheapo cables from
> > walmart and a bended cloth-hanger. If they where as good as they claimed, the
> > denon-cable should get hits with probability significantly better then 1/3,
> > otherwise its just luck.
> > Guess what the outcome was: There was a significant hit: But they spotted the
> > cloth-hanger as the denon-cable. Thats what real experts do...
> >
> > Do the listening test with as many people as possible and then show the
> > results. And only afterwards start the speculations what the reason and the
> > effects might be. (Thats called science btw.)
> >
> > Have fun,
> >
> > Arnold
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> Perhaps it's not that 2ms, but here are audible issues. As I mentioned before. Audacity shows 2ms, but JACK, the driver the hardware might add jitter.
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> FWIW blind tests aren't scientific,just double-blind studies are meaningful. And if you wish to test cables you need to test the quality after one year, after two years etc.. Anyway, a bad cable might cause a bad sound quality, but not bad timing.
> Timing is the meat and potatoes to music.
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> Regarding to my Linux computer such studies aren't needed. A bad timing is a bad timing.
> At least for the USB MIDI that I'm not using anymore, I made tests with a Windows install (I don't have this install on my machine anymore, so I can't test the PCI card with Windows).
> The USB MIDI was much better on Windows, even better than the PCI cards at the moment are on Linux. So I guess, yes I don't know, that the hardware is ok.
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> - Ralf
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