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On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:

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> On Thursday 15 July 2010 01:14:45 Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200, fons@kokkinizita.net wrote:

> > > Apart from that, it remains to be seen if *real* timing errors of

> > > +/- 2 ms do 'destroy the groove'. To test this, make the same

> > > recording

> > >

> > > - without jitter,

> > > - with 1 ms jitter,

> > > - with 2 ms jitter,

> > > - with 3 ms jitter.

> > >

> > > and check if listeners are able to identify which is which,

> > > or at least to put them into order.

> > I know very gifted musicians who do like me and they always 'preach'

> > that I should stop using modern computers and I don't know much averaged

> > people. So the listeners in my flat for sure would be able to hear even

> > failure that I'm unable to hear.

>

> You really should do that test first before speculating about the outcome and

> your audience.

>

> You would expect Audiophiles to spot the "super sounding" denon cables by

> listening, right? Yet a blind test showed the opposite. The test was to

> identify which audio take was played with denon-cables, el-cheapo cables from

> walmart and a bended cloth-hanger. If they where as good as they claimed, the

> denon-cable should get hits with probability significantly better then 1/3,

> otherwise its just luck.

> Guess what the outcome was: There was a significant hit: But they spotted the

> cloth-hanger as the denon-cable. Thats what real experts do...

>

> Do the listening test with as many people as possible and then show the

> results. And only afterwards start the speculations what the reason and the

> effects might be. (Thats called science btw.)

>

> Have fun,

>

> Arnold

Btw. I tested my own music.
First I played inside songs from other people a Ralf-mastering of my own

music.
Most people didn't like my song.
Some weeks later I played the same song inside other songs from other

people by a loudness-war-mastering.
Most people liked the song.
Playing the same song two times can't be called heavy rotation, hence

they were not accustomed to my song, but they need a bad mastering to be

fine with this song.
A blind study is useless regarding to musical issues.
Or do you think we should start mixing music optimised to loudness,

because tests show that the audience prefers music without dynamic?
;)
Ralf
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