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That's assuming that you begin using java with an IDE.=A0 I never started u=

sing eclipse until after like a couple years of programming.=A0 As long as =

you have the Java API on your system, doing it all on terminal is easy.
I see what you're saying though about "take this as given, ignore it for no=

w."=A0 What does public static void main( String[] args ) even mean anyway,=

 right?=A0 Personally, I think the low-levelness of C might be a little int=

imidating.=A0 I've never used Python before, but it seems like it would be =

a better first language than Java.
-Kris
--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Philipp =DCberbacher  wrote:
From: Philipp =DCberbacher

Subject: Re: [LAU] OT: C or C++?

To: "linux-audio-user"

Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 11:10 AM
Excerpts from Kris Calabio's message of 2010-10-14 19:22:32 +0200:

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> What are everyone's honest thoughts on Java?=A0 When I started Computer S=

cience at my school, they were teaching Java.=A0 Personally, I thought it n=

ice to learn from.=A0 I then moved on to C and C++ pretty smoothly.=A0 (Tho=

ugh I still have alot to learn in C++).

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> -Kris

I'm not experienced in any language but I've dabbled with a few, and

imho java and how it's taught here is far too complicated or rather

distracting.
The first thing newbies see, before hello world, is a beast like

eclipse, which alone causes a whole bunch of problems. Then they have

to mess with packages, and classes, and objects, although they teach it

here by saying "take this as given, ignore it for now". The next thing

they see are some funky classes that allow proper input/output because

java doesn't seem to have that. Only then they get to start programing

and can deal with javas built in funkyness.

What does the following example evaluate to?

=A0=A0=A01.2+3+"||"+3+2.1
I think there's far too much distracting mess to sort out before you

even get to programing, so I don't think it's a good teaching language

(for total beginners at least).
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That's assuming that you begin using java wit=

h an IDE.  I never started using eclipse until after like a couple yea=

rs of programming.  As long as you have the Java API on your system, d=

oing it all on terminal is easy.I see what you're saying though abo=

ut "take this as given, ignore it for now."  What does public static v=

oid main( String[] args ) even mean anyway, right?  Personally, I thin=

k the low-levelness of C might be a little intimidating.  I've never u=

sed Python before, but it seems like it would be a better first language th=

an Java.-Kris--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Philipp =DCberbacher =

<hollunder@lavabit.com> wrote:From: Philipp =DCberbacher <hollunder@lavabit.com>Subject: R=

e:

 [LAU] OT: C or C++?To: "linux-audio-user" <linux-audio-user@lists.l=

inuxaudio.org>Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 11:10 AMExcerpts from Kris Calabio's message of 2010-10-14 19:=

22:32 +0200:> What are everyone's honest thoughts on Java?  Whe=

n I started Computer Science at my school, they were teaching Java.  P=

ersonally, I thought it nice to learn from.  I then moved on to C and =

C++ pretty smoothly.  (Though I still have alot to learn in C++).&=

gt; > -KrisI'm not experienced in any language but I've dabb=

led with a few, andimho java and how it's taught here is far too compli=

cated or ratherdistracting.The first thing newbies see, before =

hello world, is a beast likeeclipse, which alone causes a whole bunch o=

f problems. Then they haveto mess with packages, and classes, and objec=

ts, although they teach ithere by saying "take this as given,

 ignore it for now". The next thingthey see are some funky classes that=

 allow proper input/output becausejava doesn't seem to have that. Only =

then they get to start programingand can deal with javas built in funky=

ness.What does the following example evaluate to?   =

1.2+3+"||"+3+2.1I think there's far too much distracting mess to so=

rt out before youeven get to programing, so I don't think it's a good t=

eaching language(for total beginners at least).________________=

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