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On Thu, September 9, 2010 10:19 am, Ken Restivo wrote:

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> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 05:14:59PM +0400, Louigi Verona wrote:

>> "It is my considered opinion and that of a large number of musicians and

>> artists throughout the world that pop music is being used as social

>> control."

>>

>> I would agree with Patrick on this one.

>>

>> It is not a conspiracy, it is just a matter of common interests of large

>> corporations and powerful people.

>> Maybe this control is not too big, its effect does dry out as I

>> mentioned

>> before, but it is certainly there.

>>

>

> Twas ever thus. Music is a social emulsifier, and has been so at least as

> far back as the days of tribal drumming and chanting. It affects us

> powerfully, physically, and at an emotional level that is very difficult

> or impossible to contain via rational thought.

>

> That has not changed. What has changed is the structure of the society in

> which the music exists.

>

> I agree that this social structure has changed in a way that is toxic to

> humans-- a world run by zombie undead corporations that are not even alive

> (maybe the sci-fi books were on to something, and the evil robots that

> have taken over the world now have Inc, SP.A, Gmbh, and LLC in their

> names), to the benefit of a comparatively tiny elite minority of humans

> (comparatively: to 7 billion people, even hundreds of thousands is tiny)

> of uber-wealthy families.

>

> What I don't buy is the conspiracy theories that seem to permeate the

> right wing and left wing of politics, so Patrick's argument lost me at

> "Rothschilds" and 'QEII". Nah, the uber-wealthy back-stab each other and

> look out for themeselves, and they have no problem stealing from each

> other as easily as stealing from the rest of us. Plus, there are

> numerically a LOT of them around-- good luck coordinating hundreds of

> thousands of people.

>

> So, I very much doubt that the rich elite are acting in any kind of

> organized conspiracy. Shared interests and shared goals, perhaps, but I

> see any coordination they might be doing, as being loose and with a great

> deal of mutual mistrust. The rich elite have always been a back-stabbing,

> venial, loathesome lot, at least as far back as the days when an English

> bard documented their courtroom intrigues in some rather well-written

> plays.

>

I would agree with you except for the pyramid does not flatten out once

you get to a certain amount of money in the bank.
Hence even the Heriditary elite are subject to the structure of the system

and are complicit in maintaining it in order to retain their status,

wealth, power, etc...
It's a self fulfilling system. IIUC, the way the system works is so that

the ones at the very top whether it's the same people, families or a

rotating door get the most out of the system. The closer to the the top

you get the more the system offers you in return for the effort you put in

to maintain the position.
Technically it's not a conspiracy because that belittles the system.

Anyone who thinks that understanding it in it's entirety and seeing it for

what it really is constitutes a conspiracy theorist is misunderstanding

the term conspiracy.
A really interesting conspiracy would be if certain people at the top were

actively trying to cover up information that would lead to them being

taken out of that position or held accountable for the heinous crimes that

they are committing.
In that case I think we have ample evidence to prove there is at least one

large conspiracy and several other supporting conspiracies at play. It is

not news and as you rightly say it has even been used as the motivation to

produce some of the finest works of literature and art.
IMO to deny it is happening is just a cop out by lazy or scared people who

don't want to admit the system is really screwed up. It also ensures

apathy can reign supreme and the status quo is maintained. It is the

simplest and most effective way for the system to maintain it's structure.

Hence the mass media is used to encourage and distract from that way of

thinking. The checks and balances in place now have been carefully weaved,

bolted and welded into place over millenia.
This goes all the way back to the Sumerians which means at least 12,000

years of documented civilisation.
When the Egyptians and the Incas built the pyramids they were making a

fundamental political statement as much as they were proving their

technological prowess. The people at the top are still making that

statement. Just look at Berg Kalipha...
Denying it does not change the fact that it is happening.
--

Patrick Shirkey

Boost Hardware Ltd.
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