Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio

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To: Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@...>
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Date: Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 11:52 am

On 04/22/2012 12:12 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:

just take it in stride. -- Your obligation as member of the management
board is also to meet with the others at least once a year :) [ see 2.
at http://linuxaudio.org/policy ]

>> Currently there is no flow of money in or out of linuxaudio.org - it's

We're getting a bit OT here, but it's fun to get known to each other,
isn't it..

google: as long as they don't mind me using Adblock, it's live and let
live. -- I turned down some job offers there for various reasons.

> Would you prefer Redhat not to advertise and promote to allow them to

RedHat is doing a fine job. But different rules apply: linuxaudio.org is
a community site, RedHat is a company. Apples and Oranges.

> How about Ubuntu? Should Mark Shuttelworth feel sorry for advertising the

My "ubuntu experience" is a rather sad story. I recommend to most PPL
not to use Ubuntu.

> Should they stop marketing and promotions?

yes, I'd very much prefer that.

> What about Ardour and Harrison or even Trinity Audio Group? Should they

There's advertisement on ardour.org ?

> What about all the trade shows where the sole purpose of such events is

You're free not to go there. They don't push it on you. If you choose to
go and expect to see self promotion and marketing; that's great! I do
enjoy visiting those events.

> And then we have DJ's, musicians and event promoters. Should they all stop

/me does not have a TV nor Radio :)

> An least we forget about all the medical, scientific and other technology

No, but I'm also yet to come across a valuable scientific or medical
contribution that directly benefited from marketing or ads.

> Do you really think it is a reasonable policy for the Linux Audio

My personal opinion aside:

I'm in favor to maintain a reasonable approach.
The freedom of the community (no user-tracking, no obligations WRT to
content posted on the site, no harassment, no discrimination, etc) takes
priority. We should _not_ be "completely anti advertising", but think
twice before adding ads or agreeing to 3rd party conditions.

We can certainly express gratitude or favor companies that support
linuxaudio.org but must be careful about maintaining independence.

It's not possible to genralize advertising campaigns, but online
marketing techniques usually come with strings attached..

Nobody complained that you put a link to _your_ site on the pages _you_
maintain on *.linuxaudio.org - but 3rd party interests - esp paid - is
questionable.

> Do the other members of this community feel so strongly too? That

probably not, but there's a big lack of manpower behind linuxaudio.org
esp when it comes to bureaucracy, administration and PR. It'd be easy to
subvert the medium and the message.

ciao,
robin

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[LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 3:14 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Dan S, (Mon Apr 23, 11:48 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:58 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Emanuel Rumpf, (Mon Apr 23, 12:18 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Ronald Stewart, (Mon Apr 23, 12:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Lorenzo Sutton, (Mon Apr 23, 9:26 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 1:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Apr 22, 10:53 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:23 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 11:04 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon Apr 23, 12:07 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:01 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, S. Massy, (Mon Apr 23, 7:36 pm)
[LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fons Adriaensen, (Mon Apr 23, 9:05 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Gerald Mwangi, (Tue Apr 24, 8:34 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Tue Apr 24, 12:00 am)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Burkhard W├Âlfel, (Tue Apr 24, 5:22 pm)
Re: [LAU] [OT] Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fons Adriaensen, (Tue Apr 24, 8:40 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano, (Mon Apr 23, 5:09 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Alex Stone, (Mon Apr 23, 3:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Mon Apr 23, 11:12 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Paul Davis, (Mon Apr 23, 11:22 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Andreas Kuckartz, (Mon Apr 23, 5:56 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Egor Sanin, (Mon Apr 23, 6:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Lorenzo Sutton, (Tue Apr 24, 7:50 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:28 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:29 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Louigi Verona, (Mon Apr 23, 11:33 am)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Arnold Krille, (Mon Apr 23, 5:25 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, gene heskett, (Mon Apr 23, 5:52 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Mon Apr 23, 7:51 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Jeremy Jongepier, (Sun Apr 22, 9:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 9:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:32 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Kevin Thoma, (Sun Apr 22, 8:56 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 9:55 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 11:37 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:47 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Sun Apr 22, 5:43 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 9:00 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:50 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Louigi Verona, (Sun Apr 22, 12:53 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, gene heskett, (Sun Apr 22, 1:21 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:55 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 9:45 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Julien Claassen, (Sun Apr 22, 8:39 am)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Robin Gareus, (Sun Apr 22, 8:30 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, S. Massy, (Sun Apr 22, 7:10 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, gene heskett, (Sun Apr 22, 8:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, S. Massy, (Sun Apr 22, 9:14 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, gene heskett, (Mon Apr 23, 1:07 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 10:04 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Robin Gareus, (Mon Apr 23, 12:26 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fons Adriaensen, (Sun Apr 22, 1:17 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 9:15 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Robin Gareus, (Sun Apr 22, 9:24 am)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Al Thompson, (Wed Apr 25, 9:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Roberto, (Thu Apr 26, 12:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Apr 25, 12:24 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Alexandre Prokoudine, (Wed Apr 25, 9:11 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 10:12 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 8:19 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Emanuel Rumpf, (Sun Apr 22, 10:01 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 10:07 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Andreas Kuckartz, (Sun Apr 22, 8:12 pm)
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Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Clemens Ladisch, (Sun Apr 22, 2:42 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 10:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, gene heskett, (Sun Apr 22, 7:59 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Emanuel Rumpf, (Sun Apr 22, 3:31 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 11:03 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 10:12 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Robin Gareus, (Sun Apr 22, 11:52 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Fred, (Sun Apr 22, 9:36 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 12:27 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Robin Gareus, (Sun Apr 22, 1:02 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Sun Apr 22, 1:45 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Robin Gareus, (Mon Apr 23, 12:16 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Patrick Shirkey, (Mon Apr 23, 11:46 pm)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, hermann, (Sun Apr 22, 8:57 am)
Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio, Bob van der Poel, (Sun Apr 22, 3:27 am)